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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mel Bel View Post
    Yeah, sounds great. I guess I just had chat bots stuck in my brain.

    I seem to recall you asking all of us before if we would be interested in running the automation server on a remote Windows server...I was thinking "yes" at the time, but because I didn't own the Expert version I just kept my opinion to myself. I think most people here were not interested.
    I don't think I explained the opportunities to running the automation server in the cloud well enough. That is probably why many people didn't seem interested. Never be afraid of voicing your opinion. I value all feedback. It is a big help. That is unless it is something bad about me. Then never say it. haha

    I'm not sure about the technical terms...but I thought it would be a good idea to be able to have like a central ESB automation server in the "cloud" where customers access it with their client-side software we sell them, and then the cloud automation server does the actual tasks we set up and returns the information to the client software and even to multiple users within the same business entity.
    Yeah, that is where I want this to go. I originally was thinking just having a single database in the cloud but run the automation on the local computer. Not now. I think having the automation server in the cloud is the best approach. I can use the automation server to allow for multi users support as well.

    But yeah, if the initial request came from outside ESB to ESB and then have ESB perform the scripts and provide the results, including rerouting results to not only ESB, but to Google Docs (or whatever else), similar to Zapier, that would really be useful in a big way for a lot of companies.
    That is exactly what you will be able to build. The REST stuff is done and being tested. Most of the work to make the automation server cloud based is already done because of the REST stuff. I just need to build out a API for the server that would take in requests and send out data. Shouldn't be too difficult.

    Anyhow, this all sounds similar and a good idea however you set it up. I make jokes about people wanting automation because they're lazy, but I'm applying that to this crowd we market to only (the do-everything-for-me crowd). Automation for business makes businesses more efficient and if we can do something with ESB at scale that provides that automation, it's going to be good for them and good for us.

    This could actually go well beyond anything like Zapier is capable of.

    Mel
    This will be big for businesses. I mentioned UIPath in my OP. That is exactly what they do. They automate business processes. The automation market is expected to grow in a big way. I'm seeing projections that it will be a 8 to 9 billion dollar market in the next 4 or so years. UIPath is valued at 7 billion on it's own. I don't see the growth stopping after that. Many of these companies, like UIPath, are going after the big corps.

    I see a lot of potential with small businesses that can't quite afford UIPath or have the resources to run and maintain the automation. If you concentrate on a market then you have a solution that you can sell over and over again. That has me thinking of adding some features to ESB that would help you manage those clients from a central program.

    On a personal note, I never wanted to hire people. I never wanted a big company with hundreds to thousands of employees. That would make me feel like a slave to that company. I know I will need to hire a few people to help out but would rather keep it to a handful of people. Automation will help me to do that. I bet that I am not alone which makes me think there is a lot of potential there.

    Zapier is a pretty cool program. ESB automation can do a lot more. Look at the browser automation as an example. I also want to add OCR later on. Being able to scan text will be a big plus for many different scenarios. Email a pdf as an attachment, ESB grabs the attachment, scans it and does whatever needed with that info.


    Thomas

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    • #17
      Yeah, I had thought of that myself that once you get the core of ESB automation fully operational you'll be able to use your own program to create automations that will help you complete the programming for new updates, fixes, running tests, etc.

      You're a one man show, Thomas, and ESB has actually been in the making over 10 years (how long has it been exactly?) - a steady evolution to where it's at currently. I have no doubt you'll achieve your goals with this.

      What will be beneficial is when several of us have projects going where we can share what's working, and maybe do some collaboration on projects. But I've noticed that most of us who buy into TSB/ESB are lone wolves like you.

      Robbie's plugin is the first serious contribution I've seen here (but I'm only a 4-1/2 year old newbie - just a toddler. Lol. I don't know everything that has occurred with TSB over the years).

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      • #18
        Thanks Mel but my contribution pales into dust when you see (like i have from 2008) how Thomas
        has grown TSB to where it is now. The unimaginable hours Thomas has put into it i couldn't even guess.
        And from my little knowledge of php/myslq when you hit bugs or issues that hour turns into 10.
        But i kept going because you gang want the plugin and Thomas is the same.
        He knows we share his passion and you just love to do it.
        I do think he's just too nice a guy haha...as he mentioned he could of closed all this and just kept developing stuff
        for himself but he kept going for us as well...we can all help each other reach those goals.

        Isn't that right Mr Cueball haha (i never liked that early days label...i think its kinda rude)

        I do like his reply that don't feel any question you ask is dumb...I've asked the dumbest ones trust me LOL.
        But your feedback from plugin issue AND feedback about TSB or anything like that is SO so important.
        Sometimes a question sparks an idea..like your idea made me add the backup/import.

        Input from all of us helps guide ESB to where it is now. So i think these discussions are pretty important.


        Robbie

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        • #19
          @Robbie, Oh, I know what Thomas has done. He's the MC of it all. I meant contributions from the people who have purchased ESB. Your plugin is the first significant contribution I've seen here...and very generous of you to do it by the way. Hopefully you are going to set things up to make some money from the plugin. Don't sell it too cheap if and when you do, Robbie.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mel Bel View Post
            Yeah, I had thought of that myself that once you get the core of ESB automation fully operational you'll be able to use your own program to create automations that will help you complete the programming for new updates, fixes, running tests, etc.

            You're a one man show, Thomas, and ESB has actually been in the making over 10 years (how long has it been exactly?) - a steady evolution to where it's at currently. I have no doubt you'll achieve your goals with this.

            What will be beneficial is when several of us have projects going where we can share what's working, and maybe do some collaboration on projects. But I've noticed that most of us who buy into TSB/ESB are lone wolves like you.

            Robbie's plugin is the first serious contribution I've seen here (but I'm only a 4-1/2 year old newbie - just a toddler. Lol. I don't know everything that has occurred with TSB over the years).
            Yeah, around 10 years now. The very first version was done in India in about a week. I then redid the program. That took a lot longer, but ended up being the version you purchased. Then redid it again to what we have today. I don't see why I won't work on this for another 10 years to be honest.

            Robbie did a great job on that plugin.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by schmutly View Post
              Thanks Mel but my contribution pales into dust when you see (like i have from 2008) how Thomas
              has grown TSB to where it is now. The unimaginable hours Thomas has put into it i couldn't even guess.
              And from my little knowledge of php/myslq when you hit bugs or issues that hour turns into 10.
              But i kept going because you gang want the plugin and Thomas is the same.
              He knows we share his passion and you just love to do it.
              I do think he's just too nice a guy haha...as he mentioned he could of closed all this and just kept developing stuff
              for himself but he kept going for us as well...we can all help each other reach those goals.

              Isn't that right Mr Cueball haha (i never liked that early days label...i think its kinda rude)

              I do like his reply that don't feel any question you ask is dumb...I've asked the dumbest ones trust me LOL.
              But your feedback from plugin issue AND feedback about TSB or anything like that is SO so important.
              Sometimes a question sparks an idea..like your idea made me add the backup/import.

              Input from all of us helps guide ESB to where it is now. So i think these discussions are pretty important.


              Robbie
              You did a great job on the plugin. You went through the same process I go through when releasing a new version or update. A huge amount of issues and then it slows down.

              I don't recall taking a vacation in the last 10 years. haha I love what I do so no biggie. I also get bored quickly when just sitting on a beach. Ideally I would like to work less but still do something every day. I find that you can accomplish a lot doing something every day. It all adds up over time.

              Walking away from the people who put money into this wasn't an option for me. Even when it was really difficult. That last revamp was a beast. I think a lot of people just wanted something like Ubot, but I wanted something that would last longer. Is Ubot still being sold? I haven't heard too much about it. Anyway, I got a lot of grief for taking so long. Understandably, but I am still glad I did what I thought was right even if it took a long time. It set us up for what we have today.

              Hardest part is trying to get something this big done while still bringing in money. Cashflow is king. I would make some money and then get back to ESB for months. Then work on making some money and then back to ESB. I should have built up some monthly cashflow, but had a lot of people waiting on the automation. There was quite a few times I wasn't sure I was going to be able to pull it off. I'm too stubborn.

              Cueball was always a friendly tease. I use to joke about being follicly challenged or I would tell people they were jealous of my beautifully sculpted cranium.

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              • #22
                To bring it back to this topic... haha

                Apparently, Amazon Alexa also allows you to make rest calls.

                I can see some uses for this.

                "Alexa, run command MakeMeSomeMoney". "Alexa, what were the sales for today?"

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                • #23
                  I don't think a lot of people are happy with Ubot currently. We never bought it (software appearance and behavior never impressed me or Joan). But I was looking into a scraper tool made with Ubot recently for comparison to what we can achieve with ESB and noticed on their forum some people seemed disappointed with the state of things (what that state is I don't know). I think it's still being sold though.

                  Mentioning Ubot reminds me of something I've been intending to ask at some point about the scraping ability of ESB, so I'll post the question in a different thread.

                  Mel

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                  • #24
                    Hi Thomas,

                    This sounds great! I am a big fan of business process improvement and what you are suggesting here is exciting.

                    Mohammed

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mel Bel View Post
                      I don't think a lot of people are happy with Ubot currently. We never bought it (software appearance and behavior never impressed me or Joan). But I was looking into a scraper tool made with Ubot recently for comparison to what we can achieve with ESB and noticed on their forum some people seemed disappointed with the state of things (what that state is I don't know). I think it's still being sold though.

                      Mentioning Ubot reminds me of something I've been intending to ask at some point about the scraping ability of ESB, so I'll post the question in a different thread.

                      Mel
                      Last time I checked, Ubot came out with a new version. It looked like they just added chrome to their available browsers (we are using chrome for our automation as well). It wasn't really what I considered an update. It looks like they are doing very little work on the program and just trying to squeeze as much money out of it as possible. Shame as it was pretty popular.



                      Originally posted by techedge View Post
                      Hi Thomas,

                      This sounds great! I am a big fan of business process improvement and what you are suggesting here is exciting.

                      Mohammed

                      Thanks Mohammed! Always room for improvement.

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                      • #26
                        Definitively a good idea Thomas.

                        But if you want to make the software compatible with chat bots I strongly suggest that you take a look on how ManyChat manages things, since MC is the most popular software to build chatbots, the standard in the space.

                        I've been using it for a couple years now and have built really complex integrations with it, including Apple Wallet, autoresponders, automatic phone calls and SMSs, invoicing, etc. You can pretty much do anything you want with it, using zapier as the clue. But they recently added many other options to directly hookup with any API or webservice.

                        I'd be just AMAZING being able to create our own scripts and run them from a chatbot. GENIUS!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by leonardos View Post
                          Definitively a good idea Thomas.

                          But if you want to make the software compatible with chat bots I strongly suggest that you take a look on how ManyChat manages things, since MC is the most popular software to build chatbots, the standard in the space.

                          I've been using it for a couple years now and have built really complex integrations with it, including Apple Wallet, autoresponders, automatic phone calls and SMSs, invoicing, etc. You can pretty much do anything you want with it, using zapier as the clue. But they recently added many other options to directly hookup with any API or webservice.

                          I'd be just AMAZING being able to create our own scripts and run them from a chatbot. GENIUS!

                          Thanks mate!

                          You should be able to integrate the automation server with any Chatbot. The Chatbot will send the request to the automation server. The server runs the script and returns a response if any is required. I believe most Chatbots can send a request to a service. If it calls Zapier then I am pretty sure it will be able to call our automation server.


                          Thomas

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                          • #28
                            Still alive and working!

                            I've been keeping tabs on some Ubot ads and the comments on those ads.

                            This came up and made me smile because this is exactly where we are heading.

                            "Can the send out pdf files? Say I have rental houses and someone texts the word app or application to the bot. Can it respond by sending a pdf rental application out?"

                            Of course Ubot had to say no, it cannot do it. Later this year you will soon be able to say Yes.

                            Not only would the rental application be sent out, but imagine the person filling out the pdf rental application and emailing it to a address. Your script gets the email, with the attachment, takes the form details and adds it to the database. Oh yeah!

                            Now sell those types of services to millions of landlords (quick Googling says there is over 23 million landlords in the US alone). I love real estate and I can think of some great features to build for that niche. There is a lot of money in that niche. Maybe some day when I am not swamped with what I already have.

                            The nice thing about having a lot of possibilities is it gives us more job security than someone working a job. Even if my current programs failed to bring me in any money (impossible!), I would be able to jump into niches like real estate and build out programs with ESB that I could sell on a monthly subscription. 2000 customers paying $50 a month is 1.2 million a year. 2000 out of 23 million landlords is my kind of numbers.

                            Also, I would bet these types of programs are recession proof. That is if your customers don't go out of business. Business owners will let go employees first knowing automation can take care of most of the work. Not that I want employees to be fired, but they are the first to be cut during bad economic times. I wouldn't be surprised if a recession would create more interest in these types of automation programs.


                            Thomas

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                            • #29
                              I've been taking some RPA (Robotic Process Automation) courses on Udemy to get a handle on things better - flowcharting and pseudocode also - plus an introduction into the whole scope of where RPA applies and is heading.

                              The potential is really huge and going to grow in demand. And everything I've taken so far is relating RPA to the B2B, Enterprise level, not even taking into account the potential at the B2C level (or like what you are talking about with individual landlords).

                              With ESB, we have the power to create custom software solutions with automation and sell it. Amazing! And we were selling simple software without any automation and making sales and new customers with that. How much more so with automation?

                              Mel

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Mel Bel View Post
                                I've been taking some RPA (Robotic Process Automation) courses on Udemy to get a handle on things better - flowcharting and pseudocode also - plus an introduction into the whole scope of where RPA applies and is heading.

                                The potential is really huge and going to grow in demand. And everything I've taken so far is relating RPA to the B2B, Enterprise level, not even taking into account the potential at the B2C level (or like what you are talking about with individual landlords).

                                With ESB, we have the power to create custom software solutions with automation and sell it. Amazing! And we were selling simple software without any automation and making sales and new customers with that. How much more so with automation?

                                Mel

                                Taking RPA classes is a great idea. The process or flow is the same across all those types of programs including ESB. Once you understand the flow of a script or program then everything else is pretty easy.

                                RPA or automations programs like ESB is the fastest growing market in enterprise software.

                                https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/24/ga...rise-software/

                                I have never been interested in the big companies. I prefer working with the smaller shops. All of these markets will benefit from automation in one way or another. Like I said in the previous post, it doesn't take a lot of customers to make a lot of money.

                                It took me a long time to get this automation figured out, but so far it looks like the timing is pretty good with the RPA stuff taking off. People are catching up and I thank the Lord that I didn't create a Ubot clone and spent the time building what we have today. haha


                                Thomas

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